Pisces Mythology

topic posted Mon, October 19, 2009 - 10:25 AM by  Ron
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(From the book "Astrology for Lovers" by Liz Green)

The Pisces Myth


In many fairy tales there is a peculiar and enchanting figure, sometimes called an ondine or melusine, sometimes called a mermaid, who lives in the depths of the sea or a vast lake, and falls in love with a mortal man.  This legend may also be seen in the legend of the Swan Prince - although here the creature from the 'other realm' bears feathers rather than scales.  And these ancient stories, in all their various forms, have the same basic theme:  the union of a mortal, an ordinary flesh-and-blood human, with something from another level of reality.  The meeting is fraught with difficulties.  There are always conditions attached.  And it usually ends in disaster or difficulty, not because it is doomed from the start, but because of the ineptitude of the mortal who attempts to impose his own laws or values on his mysterious, other-worldly partner.  

Usually the melusine agrees to live on dry land, and inhabit a mortal body, so long as her mate observes one special condition.  He must not ask her a particular question, or look in a particular box, or enter a particular room at a particular time.  In other words, there must be respect for the mysteries of this other realm.  And the mortal, driven by ordinary human curiosity and lack of respect for this magical dimension, inevitably asks the question or opens the box.  So the bond is broken, the melusine disappears into the depths again, and he is left to sorrow.  Or, sometimes, she drags him down with her, drowning him in her embrace.  

The motif, which we can find in several myths and fairy tales, is am story which has special meaning for Pisces.  As we have seen, Pisces is the last sign, the completion of the cycle.  Every sign leaves its trace in Pisces; there is not so much a particular Piscean dilemma as that Pisces embodies the human dilemma.  In this last of the zodiacal signs is represented all of man's helplessness, his longings, his dreams, his needs, his powerlessness in the face of the universe, his delusions of grandeur, his longing for love, his sense of a mystery or a divine source which he strives for, yet cannot wholly reach without great sacrifice.  

You might say that in every Pisces, symbolized by the two fishes trying to swim in opposite directions yet bound together by a golden cord, there is this dilemma of the meeting of two dimensions.  There is the ordinary mortal side, which is used to facts and realities of a tangible kind.  Eat, sleep, make love, and die - or bread and circuses, as the Romans used to say.  And there is also a melusine - or, in the case of Pisces women, the masculine equivalent - which inhabits the dark depths, and which occasionally flashes its tail above the water, catching the sunlight, entrancing the mortal on the shore.  How this meeting is dealt with is the story of each Piscean life.  Some Pisceans simply follow the mermaid down, forgetting that human lungs cannot survive underwater.  Here we have the derelicts of humanity, the lines of the junkies and the chronic alcoholics and the hopeless, the waster, the despairing, the abject.  It is these whom Christ, in Christian mythology, declared blessed, for they have sacrificed everything of ordinary life and for their suffering have earned the key to another realm.  

For other Pisceans, the fairy tale has a different ending.  It is here that we can see the genius of men such as Einstein - where the melusine, the glimpse of other realms and of a universe barely comprehensible to the ordinary mind in its majesty and infinity - is translated through the human brain, offering to the world a charting of the unknown waters. 

Obviously, not every Piscean is an Einstein or a drunkard.  But perhaps the task of every Piscean is to come to terms in some way with the transpersonal realm, and to have the courage to be its mouthpiece.  Here we find the poets and musicians, the great actors and playwrights, the visionaries and mystics who attempt to bring to ordinary life a glimpse of something else.  This can be through a work of art, or it can exist in the humblest expressions of human love. 

It is not easy, perhaps, to be born as Pisces.  Many Pisceans simply cannot accept the size of the challenge.  And, after all, who can blame them?  It is not easy to make peace with melusine; and our education does not help us, since it tends to emphasize that anybody with the secret life of the Pisces must be at best a lazy daydreamer, and at worst emotionally disturbed.  The fairy tale world in which many Pisces children live is criticized, bludgeoned, mocked or argued out of them very early.  And it's important to remember here that Pisces is a mutable - that is, a changeable - sign, malleable, easily influenced, often hungry to please.  Pisces is more easily distorted, more easily pressured by a hostile environment, than any other sign.  So the melusine calls unheard from the depths of the soul, and the average Piscean disguises himself from himself by a rationalistic attitude toward life. 

Another important mythological motif that tells us something about the Fish is the Christian myth itself.  When I use the word 'myth' here I do not mean to imply something true or untrue, but mean it in the sense that all myths are apertures into another world.  If one is a Christian, then the New Testament is truth while the religious symbols of other faiths are myth; if one is either non-Christian or open-minded, one can see that all myths describe God.  So let's look at the Christian myth. 

The Christian era is sometimes known as the Age of Pisces.  Without going into lengthy explanations about precessions of the equinoxes and other astronomical phenomena, let's just say that about every two thousand years a new zodiacal sign colours man's history and culture.  You can see the traces of this sign at work particularly in the religious symbols that emerge during the time it is in power.  The Fish is one of the great symbols of Christianity; and in this symbol can be found many important themes that pertain to Pisces, both in this broad way and in the individual life of the person born under the sign. 

Firstly, there is the aspiration.  Before the coming of Christianity, man and God were two different things; there could be communication between them, there could be enmity or friendship; but man was not like God and God was not like man, and never the twain could meet.  But one of the essential meanings of the Christian myth is that God incarnates as man:  that there is a halfway point, an intermediary, a bridging of the two worlds.  We are back to our friend the melusine here.  But, instead of melusine, read soul or spirit.  So, we can, if we want to consider the religious aspect of Pisces, say that there is a strong awareness in many Pisceans, especially the more mystical ones, of themselves - and the whole of mankind - being some kind of halfway house between animal and divine. 

You can imagine that this creates problems.  Being aware of two dimensions like this is pretty confusing, especially when the one tends to pop up when the other should be operating.  No wonder Pisces is said to be confused a lot of the time. 

Second to the aspiration is the urge towards self-sacrifice.  Now this can be of the noblest kind, and one of the characteristic renditions of this can be found in the lives of the Saints.  These figures - whether one believes in Saints or not - are in a sense the epitome of this side of Pisces.  Everything devoted to the ideal - whether it is God, a country, a people, the poor, the suffering, or whatever.  Pisces may often be found searching desperately for a cause to which he can devote himself, even sacrifice himself.  It is an ecstasy which the other signs want no part of, since they all still have left some shred of a personal sense of their own 'I'ness.  Pisces doesn't.  It's the completion of the cycle, the end.  And there's a very strong tendency to want to give up everything, offer it up, disintegrate, disappear. 

Compassion and love of an impersonal, unbiased kind are also Piscean virtues extolled in this last era.  Love thy neighbour as thyself, turn the other cheek - these are Piscean aspirations.  Of course you have to remember that there's another fish to the pair, too.  But much of the history of religion in the last two thousand years has forgotten about that second fish.  It's locked down in the basement, and popularly referred to as the Devil. 

You get the picture.  We can look objectively at the myths of the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, or whomever, and see how some of these mythical heroes and motifs fit particular zodiac signs.  If we can strip ourselves of our prejudices, and remember that every age has considered its teaching the only true one, we can perceive that in the figure of Christ we have a model of Pisces - as the sign would like to be.  And in the figure of the Devil, we have the dark fish, the other fish, which we must now consider. 
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  • Re: Pisces Mythology

    Mon, October 19, 2009 - 11:34 AM
    Hmmmm...interesting! Liz Green has such deep considerations in her astrological teachings!

    She cites Jesus as one fish and the Devil as the other.

    It is interesting to me that in pre-Christian religions, the Devil as we know him does not exist. The word "satan" simply meant "opponent" in early Jewish myths. The entity known as Satan actually acted on God's behalf in the Old Testament. Here's a page about the origin of this myth:

    www.religioustolerance.org/chr_...m#bce

    In the story of Job, Satan acted as a kind of "prosecuting attorney" for the Court of God.

    In Tribal religions, there were "Trickster" figures/gods, who were eventually identified with the Devil as the Christians took over. The "Devil" who stood at the Crossroads, in the Robert Johnson song, was really an African deity called "Legba," who was a Trickster.

    wapedia.mobi/en/Papa_Legba

    Here's an article about the Trickster ("sacred clown") figure in Native American lore:
    dreamflesh.com/essays/clownpath/

    As for the Mermaid or Melusine, there is a book called "The Descent of Woman" by Elaine Morgan that posits we humans are descended from the same ancestor as cetaceans (dolphins, porpoises, whales), except our ancestors came back to land, for some reason.....

    The followers of Mami Wata believe SHE is our Mythic Mother of All! And we know that without Water, there is no life. So we, as Pisceans, are part of that MOST ANCIENT SOURCE....the SOURCE of LIFE.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mami_Wata

    mamiwata.com/mamiwata.html




    • Re: Pisces Mythology

      Mon, October 19, 2009 - 5:48 PM
      I think comparing Pisceans to JC is a tad extreme. True that xtian religions stress the "love thy neighbor" thing but in practice it seems to be more of "love thy neighbor, unless they have something you want, in which case take them down". Piscean visions of peace are usually tempered by images of war. I seem to see the darkness and the light equally, existing in the shadowy depths...
      • Re: Pisces Mythology

        Tue, October 20, 2009 - 6:33 AM
        Well, didn't JC say "I come not to bring peace but to bring the sword." ??? (or something like that.) ;-)

        He cautioned his followers to be "wise as serpents."

        He also said, "What I can do, you can do, and more!"

        I truly believe that!

        Oh, and I also believe he was a Witch. ;-) And a Sociologist. ;-D

        He wasn't perfect, either.
        • Re: Pisces Mythology

          Tue, October 20, 2009 - 12:29 PM
          Maggie perceived:

          <He wasn't perfect, either. >

          To be human is to be flawed. It is our flaws that make us one with the universe, we all have them yet display them in different and creative ways...
    • Re: Pisces Mythology

      Wed, October 21, 2009 - 10:11 AM
      "She cites Jesus as one fish and the Devil as the other. "

      That's interesting, and seems very fitting.
      I have always thought of myself as like an 'angel' with a 'devil' lurking inside. Guys I've had relationships with have described me as an angel/devil lol :) For me the 'devil' is my sexual side.
      I'm always attracted to extremes like that too, very good and Godly.. and the opposite, evil and devilish lol. But good and Godly is what I really want and strive for.
      • Re: Pisces Mythology

        Wed, October 21, 2009 - 10:27 PM
        I get extra dark side energy from Mars Scorpio. I've always been fascinated by the dark, but channeling the light seems more rewarding. My dreams of the future are sometimes very noir, a dark future a la Blade Runner. Those dreams trouble me and make me lose faith in mankind. Losing faith hurts. Try not to get into that space too often, but when I do, it always hurts.
        • Re: Pisces Mythology

          Thu, October 22, 2009 - 6:07 AM
          Ron admitted:
          >Try not to get into that space too often,
          >but when I do, it always hurts.

          I was thinking about PAIN recently....and that Pisces knows Pain. How can one live on this Earth at this time and NOT know Pain? What humans have done with the Earth....and to each other?

          Yet, when I feel like this, I remember Maya Angelou's words:

          "History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived, however, if faced with courage, need not be lived again. " She has also helped me realize that although things sometimes look bleak, we have come far as a species and we are here on this Earth in order to bring good vibes to all!

          Pain, when used correctly, can inspire great arts!!!
        • Re: Pisces Mythology

          Thu, October 22, 2009 - 1:45 PM
          I can never get what people mean by scorpio's attraction to "the dark side"..like what exactly is that? and do they ever really gain anything by "going there", or do they just like to creep the fuck out of Virgo Risings? hahaha.
          • Re: Pisces Mythology

            Thu, October 22, 2009 - 1:48 PM
            oh, and I read this Pisces mythology article before. It's kinda depressing..but so is everything else, usually.LOL

            I think I'm the Devil, right now. I'm the mean fish questioning God's plan, going on a vengeance rampage against HIM.
      • Re: Pisces Mythology

        Sat, October 24, 2009 - 2:21 PM
        Jesus has planets in the 3rd house all in Pisces including his sun.( so I have seen in Jeff Greens Book)
        • Re: Pisces Mythology

          Sun, October 25, 2009 - 7:23 PM
          Question:

          "I can never get what people mean by scorpio's attraction to "the dark side"..like what exactly is that? "

          Answer:

          "creep the fuck out of Virgo Risings?"

          :)

          It's what "creeps" you out... where you won't go..... we gain insight from this.
          • Re: Pisces Mythology

            Mon, October 26, 2009 - 6:34 AM
            huh? I don't get it.
            • Re: Pisces Mythology

              Mon, October 26, 2009 - 8:11 AM
              Pluto energy is quite dark. Scorpios have an innate sense for evil and darkness.

              A very wise Scorp lady once explained to me that there are 2 kinds of Scorpios, ones that have done the personal work, and ones who haven't. I avoid Scorpios who haven't done the personal work, the darkness consumes them. She told me that Scorpios who have done the personal work learn to consume the darkness instead of letting it consume them.

              I'm still teaching my Scorp Mars to consume the darkness... Could be a long process.
              • Re: Pisces Mythology

                Mon, October 26, 2009 - 10:36 AM
                so, basically, Scorpios who haven't "gone there" are like the rest of us...that would make sense, only Scorpios feel a greater tension than "the rest of us", because in their case, in addition to supressing their subconscious, they're also avoiding their karmic lessons.

                yes, thank you, thank you very much...haha.
              • Re: Pisces Mythology

                Wed, October 28, 2009 - 7:14 PM
                what's the personal work ?

                and is that for scorp suns only or applies to those with scorp moons or scorp asc ?
                • Re: Pisces Mythology

                  Thu, October 29, 2009 - 3:00 PM
                  The "personal work" means getting in touch with the Scorpio dark side and learning to deal with it. Scorpios consumed in the darkness can be nasty to deal with. The ones who rise above the darkness become Eagles.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: Pisces Mythology: selkies

                    Sun, November 1, 2009 - 2:54 PM
                    Selkies (also known as silkies or selchies) are creatures found in Faroese, Icelandic, Irish, and Scottish mythology.

                    They can transform themselves from seals to humans. The legend apparently originated on the Orkney and Shetland Islands, where selch or selk(ie) is the Scots word for seal (from Old English seolh).[citation needed]

                    Legends
                    Selkies are able to transform to human form by shedding their seal skins, and can return to seal form by putting it back on. Stories concerning selkies are generally romantic tragedies. Sometimes the human will not know that their lover is a selkie, and wakes to find them gone. Other times the human will hide the selkie's skin, thus preventing them from returning to seal form. A selkie can only make contact with one particular human for a short amount of time before they must return to the sea. They are not able to make contact with that human again for seven years, unless the human is to steal their selkie's skin and hide it or burn it.[citation needed] Examples of such stories are the ballad, The Great Silkie of Sule Skerry and the movie The Secret of Roan Inish.

                    In The Secret of Roan Inish, a fisherman steals the selkie's pelt while she is sunbathing. She is then forced to return to his house, as she cannot escape back into the sea, and becomes his wife and bears him children. The skin of the seal gives her power over men, but without it she is a mortal woman, trapped on land, slave to the whims of her husband. The life there slowly suffocates her and she spends much time splashing in the shallows of the ocean. Years later, one of the children sees the pelt and asks what it is. The wife immediately knows, drops what she is doing and retrieves the pelt from its hiding place, having long ago despaired of ever finding it. She does not hesitate; she rushes to the ocean to return to her former life as a seal.

                    The selkie legend is also told in Wales, but in a slightly different form. The selkies are humans who have returned to the sea. Dylan (Dylan Eil Don) the firstborn of Arianrhod, was variously a merman or sea spirit, who in some versions of the story escapes to the sea immediately after birth.

                    In the Faroe Islands there are two versions of the story of the Selkie or Seal Wife. A young farmer from the town of Mikladalur on Kalsoy island goes to the beach to watch the selkies dance. He hides the skin of a beautiful selkie maid, so she can't go back to sea, and forces her to marry him. He keeps her skin in a chest, and keeps the key with him both day and night. One day when out fishing, he discovers that he has forgotten to bring his key. When he returns home, the selkie wife has escaped back to sea, leaving their children behind. Later, when the farmer on a hunt kills both her selkie husband and two selkie sons, she promises to take revenge upon the men of Mikladalur. Some shall be drowned, some shall fall from cliffs and slopes, and this shall continue, until so many men have been lost that they will be able to link arms around the whole island of Kallsoy.

                    Male selkies are very handsome in their human form, and have great seduction powers over human women. They typically seek those who are dissatisfied with their romantic life. This includes married women waiting for their fishermen husbands. If a woman wishes to make contact with a selkie male, she has to go to a beach and shed seven tears into the sea.

                    If a man steals a female selkie's skin, she is in his power, to an extent, and she is forced to become his wife — a regional variant on the motif of the swan maiden, unusual in that the bride's animal form is usually a bird. Female selkies are said to make excellent wives, but because their true home is the sea, they will often be seen gazing longingly at the ocean. If she finds her skin again, she will immediately return to her true home, and sometimes to her selkie husband, in the sea.

                    Sometimes, a selkie maiden is taken as a wife by a human man and she has several children by him. In these stories, it is one of her children who discovers her sealskin (often unwitting of its significance) and she soon returns to the sea. The selkie woman usually avoids seeing her human husband again but is sometimes shown visiting her children and playing with them in the waves.

                    Selkies are not always faithless lovers. One tale tells of the fisherman Cagan who married a seal-woman. Against his wife's wishes he set sail dangerously late in the year, and was trapped battling a terrible storm, unable to return home. His wife shifted to her seal form and saved him, even though this meant she could never return to her human body and hence her happy home.

                    Some stories from Shetland have selkies luring islanders into the sea at midsummer, the lovelorn humans never returning to dry land.[1]

                    Seal shapeshifters similar to the selkie exist in the folklore of many cultures. A corresponding creature existed in Swedish legend, and the Chinook Indians of North America have a similar tale of a boy who changes into a seal (see the children's story The Boy Who Lived With The Seals by Rafe Martin). Jane Yolen incorporated such a shapeshifters as a selkie into her picture book, Greyling.
  • Re: Pisces Mythology

    Sun, October 25, 2009 - 11:40 PM
    "Obviously, not every Piscean is an Einstein or a drunkard. "

    If only I could be both an Eistein AND a Drunkard! This Pisces doesn't have either trait, but has been attracted to them. Ouch!
    • Re: Pisces Mythology

      Mon, October 26, 2009 - 8:12 AM
      I'm no Einstein, but I can be a very accomplished drunkard!
      • Re: Pisces Mythology

        Mon, October 26, 2009 - 9:24 AM
        "A very wise Scorp lady once explained to me that there are 2 kinds of Scorpios, ones that have done the personal work, and ones who haven't. I avoid Scorpios who haven't done the personal work, the darkness consumes them. She told me that Scorpios who have done the personal work learn to consume the darkness instead of letting it consume them. "

        A very wise Scorpio indeed...............
  • Re: Pisces Mythology

    Sat, November 28, 2009 - 9:44 AM
    Jesus's followers were, by-and-large, fishermen.

    The was a carpenter, not a fish.

    Just saying; if I use a cow picture because a bunch of former butchers were the first to follow me, a car repair guy, that doesn't make me a minotaur.

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