pisces prone to schizophrenia

topic posted Sun, August 22, 2004 - 11:17 PM by  107
Scientists link month of birth to diseases
Schizophrenia, brain cancer among illnesses connected to certain seasons.

By Erika Niedowski
The Baltimore Sun
August 20, 2004

Pisces (Feb. 19 - March 20): Governed by Neptune and symbolized by the fish. Compassionate, introspective, artistic. Often dreamy and impractical. May be prone to schizophrenia, epilepsy or bipolar disorder.

It may sound like some kind of new, madcap astrology, but a number of scientists are becoming convinced that our birth month may predispose us to particular diseases later in life.

Studies have shown that schizophrenia is more common among those born in late winter or early spring. Multiple sclerosis is associated with births in April, May and June. And epilepsy occurs more frequently in those with birthdays from December to March.

Clues into causes

Researchers hope the emerging patterns will offer clues into the origins of a range of illnesses that, despite advances in treatment, have no known cause.

"It makes you think differently about disease," said Dr. Emmanuel Mignot, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Stanford University School of Medicine, who has studied the association between birth month and narcolepsy.

"Most people tend to think that disease is really something that is determined by your genes or what happens just before the disease occurs," he said. "Maybe there are a number of things that can happen well before."

In the latest study, published in the current edition of the journal Neurology, scientists at the National Cancer Institute found that adults born in January and February had the highest risk of brain cancer. Those with birthdays in July and August had the lowest risk.

The paper's lead author, NCI epidemiologist Alina V. Brenner, is the first to offer a caveat: The findings could be the result of chance.

But separate studies in Britain and Norway have identified a similar correlation between birth season and risk of brain tumors in children, with a statistical "excess" of births in winter and a "deficit" in summer.

If the association turns out to be real, Brenner said, it suggests that exposures early in a child's development -- at any point from conception to the first few months after birth -- could have a hand in the genesis of the disease. Though it's not clear what those exposures are, they could include viruses, environmental toxins or even something as seemingly benign as the weather.

Infections may play role

Seasonal birth patterns have been most firmly established in schizophrenia patients. Several years ago, a group of Danish researchers reported that the risk of developing the disorder was highest among those born in February and March and lowest among those with birthdays in August and September.

Dr. E. Fuller Torrey, research psychiatrist at the Uniformed Services University of Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., has ruled out the possibility that chance alone explains the findings.

"It could be chance if it were one study of 250 people, or a few dozen people here or a few dozen people there," he said. "When you're dealing with a couple hundred thousand people and 200 studies, the chances of it being chance are zero-point-zero. It's remarkably consistent."

The leading explanation implicates a seasonal infection that could be disturbing the child's normal brain development, which may help explain why other central nervous system disorders are also more common in those with winter births.
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  • Re: pisces prone to schizophrenia

    Mon, August 23, 2004 - 8:06 AM
    It sure takes science a long time to pick up on things that astrology has been telling us for millennia. Not that Pisces are prone to schizophrenia necessarily (though schizophrenics are considered some of the most creative people so it makes sense), but that people born at certain signs are more prone to certain illnesses. If they want to blame it on seasonal infections, who's to say they're not infections influenced by astrological movements?

    I know as a pisces I have more respiratory and foot problems than the average non-piscean person. Which only goes to show that Pisces were not meant to walk on their flippers or breath this nasty air. :P lol As for the epilepsy, a fish gets a bit twitchy out of the water! Well, I shouldn't joke, I really might have a touch of that one. :/

    On the schizophrenia and bi-polar disorders, my leonine sister is loopier than I am. hehe I'm placid as can be (usually). :)
    • Re: pisces prone to schizophrenia

      Mon, August 23, 2004 - 11:08 AM
      i suppose that explains why most people call me loopy. hmmm. gotta keep the psychosis in check...
      actually, my friend's father is a pisces and a schizophrenic. he's pleasant about 90% of the time, then tends to become very delusional.
  • Re: pisces prone to schizophrenia

    Mon, August 23, 2004 - 3:41 PM
    I've heard that Pisces are prone to be bipolar, but I hadn't heard any 'scientific' backup for it. I guess if that's true than the schizophrenia claim would not be too far of a leap to believe.
    • Re: pisces prone to schizophrenia

      Mon, August 23, 2004 - 5:52 PM
      it's an astrological given that pisces are most vulnerable to any disease of the psyche...

      but this is the first time I've ever heard any confirmation of my own 'pseudo-scientific' theory that astrology may work, in part, based on what the various seasons do to a developing fetus & young infant...
  • Re: pisces prone to schizophrenia

    Tue, August 24, 2004 - 6:07 AM
    Q: What is the difference between a frog?
    A: Rhode Island. Gilligan's Island. Thousand Island Dressing.
    And dwarves... lots and lots of dwarves.
    Not midgets. They are ~different~.
    A frog is, too. That is why there is a difference between a frog.
    It is also why Thousand Island dressing is NOT good on frog's legs.
    If Mary Ann and Ginger had cooked that frog and made frog's legs and put Thousand Gilligan Island dressing on them, it would never have led Gilligan to the underground pool of fresh water. Besides, they had no ketchup, and you can't make Thousand Island dressing even on Gilligan's Island with no ketchup (I don't like ketchup mostly. Sometimes but not mostly.). They had radioactive vegetables on the Island one time one time one time, but I don't think they had tomatoes. Mrs. Howell acted like a speed-freak when she ate those beets, and I thought that was funny! Beets are kind of purple but not red like tomatoes. You can not make ketchup out of beets, because purple ketchup is only served in Czechoslovakia, because that is what they make their ketchup and their borscht with.
    Dwarves tend not to like tomatoes. I don't know whether midgets do or not.
    Dwarves live under the mountains in the Hall of the Mountain King in Czechoslovakia, where they have purple borscht ketchup, but they never put it on frog's legs.

    Frogs do not live in Czechoslovakia. They live in Rhode Island.
    • Re: pisces prone to schizophrenia

      Tue, August 24, 2004 - 12:43 PM
      Is it a bad sign that I was actually sort of following that???
      • Re: pisces prone to schizophrenia

        Wed, August 25, 2004 - 4:19 AM
        You do not live in Czechoslovakia. You do not even live in Rhode Island.

        You live in Seattle.

        In Seattle, they generally do not eat frog's legs. They have lots of vegetarians in Seattle. Sometimes they will eat radioactive vegetables, but only if they are aliens. (Aliens are from California, everybody says so.)
        Mary Ann was not from Seattle. She was from Kansas. If she went to Seattle she would be an alien, but not an illegal one. Mary Ann had a license.
        Superman was from Kansas, but he was an alien (but he is OK, and does not need a license). He was from Krypton. Krypton is radioactive, and is now in little bitty eensy-weensy pieces, and they are green. Frogs are also green.
        Superman could eat radioactive frog's legs if he wanted to, or even radioactive vegetables. Gilligan ate radioactive spinach, and it gave him super-strength. Popeye eats regular spinach and it gives him super-strength.
        Superman does not need to eat spinach of any kind to give him super-strength, because he is from Krypton, and already is super-strong. Except when you show him kryptonite, and then he gets weak.
        I think maybe kryptonite is made from alien frogs. Alien frogs who ate radioactive spinach when they were little, from the time they were tadpoles. They eat so much of it that it dries them up into green crystals of kryptonite when they grow up.
        Which is why (I think) they moved to Rhode Island.
        Superman moved far far away from the radioactive-spinach-eating frogs, and went to Kansas as a baby. Evey once in a while, though, the kryptonese frogs find him anyway, which is too bad (I think they work for Luthor, and he tells those damn radioactive amphibians where to find Superman!)
        Jimi Hendrix was a super guitarist, but I don't think he ever ate radioactive spinach to get his super-guitar-powers, or even radioactive frog's legs, because he lived in Seattle, where they do not eat radioactive frog's legs.
        I think one time Jimi Hendrix was the Green Lantern one time, but maybe I'm wrong and it was his cousin from Czechoslovakia or something. I'm pretty sure Jimi Hendrix never went to Czechoslovakia, although he did go to Monterey. He set a guitar on fire. He also went to Woodstock.
        If you ever go to Woodstock New York, do NOT take any of the Brown Acid (trust me on this one...).
        Donovan wrote a song about Superman and Green Lantern, but I don't think he ever ate any of the radioactive frog's legs or radioactive spinach.
        Donovan, I'm pretty sure, didn't come from Seattle.
        • Re: pisces prone to schizophrenia

          Wed, August 25, 2004 - 12:30 PM
          But Bruce Lee did! He's buried here. =:)

          Wow, it's not yet noon and yet the stars are all out...

          • Re: pisces prone to schizophrenia

            Thu, August 26, 2004 - 4:20 PM
            Having gone out and dug up a few frozen frogs, thawed them properly (gave them a java), I asked them a series of questions, obviously in froglish, to see what there take is with all of this. Their response (expletives deleed).

            Q. How do you feel about people, in particular males, being transformed into amphibians?

            A. 100% response -- we are tired of this gene pool contamination. Why pick on us? Can you humans not be more creative when you feel like dumping these guys? Competition is bad enough we do not need more guys here, especially those ignorant of proper pond etiquette, territorially established rocks and pads.

            Q. What course of action would you recommend to women who zap guys into frogs?

            A. If human women insist on upgrading guys to frogs, at least teach them some manners. Bar room behaviour just does not carry well out here in swamp land. Lady frogs do not like it nor want it, and it just makes them suspect of all us hoppers. Teach the guys before dumping them that we are seasonal with our sexual habits and season is not 12 months of the year -- there is a time and place for everything. And we only sing at certain times during the night, the rest we stay silent so as to not attract the air born predators. Day time singing, while standing on a rock near a road, is a Walt Disney thing. None of us are princes, so get over it ladies. Stop yanking us out of our beloved slime and planting a wet kiss on us. Between the lipstick, the perfume, and the lizard tongue, you just ruin us for our own lady folk.

            Q. Any other comments or suggestions you would care to offer?

            A. Many! We have a home, so leave us there. We are not sexual toys so go elsewhere. if youa re going to visit us, bring flies and gnats and just leave them on the rocks...we will find them. If you must watch us, do so at distance and give us some privacy. Remember, we were here long before any of the humans, except YIHAN. At least he knew well enough to not to bother us. So we have seen it all and we don't need to see you people anymore. Stop licking us to see if we will give you a toxic high.

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